Saint "Anti-Sexual" Augustine

Chapter Fifty Seven

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Chapter Fifty Seven

Saint “Anti-Sexual” Augustine

T.L.C. Some people say that eating from the forbidden tree empowered Eve and Adam with the knowledge of good and evil. They say that the fruit itself wasn't the issue; that it was the transformation that occurred within Eve and Adam as a result of eating that fruit. What actually happened when they ate the fruit?

Big D The transformation was very likely one of self-awareness. For example, when a non-human animal looks into a mirror, they don't recognize themselves, while a human does.

According to "good and evil" variation of this story, "eating the fruit" gave Eve and Adam the belief that a naked human body is something to fear, to hide, and to be ashamed of.

T.L.C. But according to the Bible, everything God created was good. How can a naked human body suddenly be something to be fear, or hide, or ashamed of?

Big D Eating the fruit didn't change their bodies, it changed their belief system. It change what they believed about their bodies.

Your question brings us to a discussion of Saint Augustine who interpretation of this story became Christian theology. We'll get to him in a moment. [Chapter 57] In the mean time, let me just say that Augustine chose to focus on fear and shame and he chose to ignore the other Biblical messages that give quite a very different message regarding the nature of human beings.

T.L.C. Which passages?

Big D Here's three to start with. The Genesis passages in which God, himself, says that everything He (God) created was good and Romans 14:14 and Romans 14:20, which both say that evil is in the eye of the observer.

T.L.C. Are you saying that, at this juncture, where there were two, conflicting, biblical messages, Augustine chose the fear and shame instead of "Everything is good."?

Big D Yup.

T.L.C. But the Bible is supposed to be the literal word of God. Both passage can't be literally true.

Big D Stoney, this is only one of many places where the Christian Bible contradicts itself.

T.L.C. So how does one deal with the impossible?

Big D By ignoring the conflict and making a personal choice. And Augustine chose the fear and shame interpretation and out of that, he created the anti-sexual theology that has dominated Christianity ever since.***ps-51-14

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T.L.C. Yes, I think so… No. Wait a minute… That can’t be. There’s another missing piece.

Big D What’s missing?

T.L.C. I clearly remember you telling me that the human mind can know with absolute certainty, absolutely nothing about the nature of God. ^[3]

Big D Yes. So. . .?

T.L.C. You also, almost in the same breath, said “Since God is unknown and unknowable to the human mind, then anything any human says about God is really a statement about the speaker.”

Big D Did I say that?

T.L.C. Yes.

Big D Then it must be true ‘cause I never lie.

T.L.C. That’s a lie. You do lie.

Big D And so I do. And that’s the truth!

T.L.C. So you did say that, or not?

Big D Well actually, Stoney, if you look back in your notes, you’ll find that those were your words, not mine. I just happened to agree with their accuracy.

T.L.C. OK, regardless of which one of us spoke the words, they’re accurate?

Big D Yes.

T.L.C. Then, if God’s unknown and unknowable, what’s all this talk we hear from the anti-abortion promoters about them knowing what God wants the rest of us to do? How do they know?

Big D Obviously, they don’t… unless of course they do.

T.L.C. Do they have some special connection to God?

Big D Obviously, they don’t… unless of course they do.

T.L.C. Now you’re being a smart ass again.

Big D That I am… unless of course, I’m not.

Well, there’s one thing that all of them always manage to hear from God, and they always remember to tell their followers. I guess you know what that is?

T.L.C. Uhh! Not money again.

Big D Of course! So, Stoney, given that humans can know with absolute certainty, absolutely nothing about God, Ref to ch151 God-Mystery

is you conclusion about the nature of the imposter God a reasonable hypothesis?

T.L.C. Since all the characteristics and activities of the imposter God fit perfectly the description of the ego-atheists who run the world, then the god-imposer actually could be a very clever ego-atheist.

Big D With a little help from some of those other gods that were mentioned in Genesis 3:22. Pure speculation, I might add, and, at the same time, a very logical conclusion. Let’s just leave it at that—at least for now.

T.L.C. OK, back to finishing up with anti-sex and Augustine. What do we make of all this belief, proclamation, forbidden fruit, and saint stuff? We haven’t even got past the first of a long list of assumptions in this story and already the whole thing sounds like a Keystone Cops, slapstick comedy.

Big D Well, perhaps it is. But then, you have to be the judge of that, not me.

T.L.C. Please tell me about this Augustine character.

Big D Saint Anti-Sexual Augustine is the same character who proclaimed, “The more you give up, the closer you get to God.” He’s the same character who, as a young man, was hornier than a Hackensack hen in heat. He’s the same character who prayed to God: "Give me chastity and continence, but not just now."

T.L.C. He actually prayed like that?

Big D That’s what he wrote in his book, Confessions, but none of that matters.

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T.L.C. Why not?

Big D Because his writings were a focal point around which the Roman Catholic Church consolidated its power and domination of the then-known world, so the Church proclaimed him to be a Saint.

His anti-sexual writings inspired what became know as Puritanism. His anti-sexual writings also inspired the establishment of what today is called the missionary position for sexual intercourse, i.e., the woman on her back, the man on top, in the dark, three-minute-max, and for procreation purposes only.

T.L.C. Are you saying that his writings are the foundation upon which the anti-abortionists base their anti-sexual proclamations?

Big D It appears that way. But again, please don’t believe any of this. Please ask the anti-sexual anti-abortionists directly. Let them tell you their truth.

T.L.C. I’ll make a note to do just that.

Big D There’s just one little thing more about all this peddling grief and misery stuff.

T.L.C. What’s that?

Big D Think for a moment about the implications Saint Augustine’s statement, “The more you give up, the closer you get to God.”

T.L.C. What implications?

Big D I’ll explain this with an example. The next time you see some homeless person sleeping in an alley, or some poor bastard eating out of garbage can, you just walk right up to him and tell him how lucky he is because he’s real close to God. And don’t you feed him or give him your old coat because that would push him away from God, and you certainly don’t want to be responsible for leading anyone away from God. You could go to the anti-abortionist’s hell for doing something as vile as leading someone away from God.

And then you just might want to ask yourself this. If Saint Anti-Sexual Augustine came to a correct conclusion when he declared “The more you give up, the closer you get to God.” then just how close to God are all those anti-abortion promoters sitting there in their fancy homes with servants, riding in chauffeur-driven cars, and preaching in those multi-million dollar studios they bought with money they begged from their followers?

T.L.C. Sounds to me like typical, dominator-manipulator, double-standard hypocrisy.

Big D Amen.

T.L.C. Shall we go on?

Big D Do we really need to? Haven’t you got the message yet?

T.L.C. Not with this. I mean shall we discuss something else?

Big D Yes. What’s your next question?

^[1]Genesis 3:22 Then the Lord God said, behold, the man has become like one us, to know good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever. Gen 3:23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

^[2]Ref: Topic # 23, Separate Church and State / The Beginner’s Mind

^[3]Ref: Topic # 15, Proving When Life Begins / The Basic, Seven-Belief
Package Ref: Topic # 77, It’s Literal, and Here’s what it Means

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How can you use something physical to prove the existence of and describe the nature of something that's not physical? Plain and simple: YOU CAN'T!

Unwanted Pregnancy

God's punishment for unmarried sex. Why is it that god is only punishing the females

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If you choose to mindlessly believe the Christian theology that's fine. But there are others of us who choose to read some of the Bible scriptures that are presently being ignored. And there are others of us who choose to examine some of the Bible scriptures that are presently being interpreted is a manner that is very questionable.

Here's a partial list

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