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Chapter Fifty-Four

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Do You Believe
in God?

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Before anyone 
can answer this question,
 one needs to define the word "God."  

 

An Interview 
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" The Devil " 

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This book is actually an interview with an Angel of Light whose mission is to expose "The Dark Side"  for what it is.   He/She shines the God-Light of Love, Inclusion, and Oneness into the pit of illusion, separation, darkness, anger, and fear.   F.A.Questions° 

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Chapter Content

One has to acknowledge that regardless of what any of us believe, our beliefs are not going to change the fact that either God exists or He/She/It doesn't.  

The nature and function of the Source of Creation  is also whatever it is regardless of what humans believe or disbelieve about God.   

And reality is whatever reality is and our beliefs about reality are just that -- beliefs.   They do not necessarily match reality.   

So given these basic facts of life, let's ask a few questions about God.

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Big D    Stoney, here are three different dictionaries.   Please look up the word atheist in each one of them.   

I do as instructed.

Big D    Now tell me how do these books define an atheist?

T.L.C.    "As a person  who does not believe in the existence of God."   

Big D    Do you find anything wrong with that definition?   

T.L.C.    Only because of our previous discussion.   I say what do you mean by the word "God?"

Big D    Good!  You're right on target.   

T.L.C.    Why do you say that?

Big D    Because without a clear definition of what one means by the word "God," such a definition is worse than meaningless.   It not only confuses the issue, it falsifies both the definition and the reader's perception of the word atheist because it lets each reader supply his/her own meaning for the word "God."   

T.L.C.    So,  you're saying that before we can meaningfully answer the question, "Do you believe in God?"  we need to define what you mean when you say "God."   

Big D    Precisely! 

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What Is That "Whatever-It-Is"  We Call "God?"

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Big D    Stoney, do you believe in God?  

T.L.C.    Obviously you expect me to respond with something other than "yes" or "no."   

Big D    I do.

T.L.C.    Then here it is:    Before I can answer your question, " you need to define for me what you mean by the word "God."   Talk to me about your understanding of God and then I'll be able to answer your question.

Big D    Do you see how your enlightened response is taking our conversation onto a completely different world?   Do you see how, if we each have a different meaning for the word "God," we simply cannot communicate effectively.  

T.L.C.    Yes.   

Big D    Then in this expanded context, Ill talk to you about God.

             The first thing to keep in mind is  that when someone speaks about God, they are referring to that unknown and unknowable source of all  that transcends human understanding.   They're saying  absolutely nothing about what God actually is or isn't.   They are, instead, expressing what they believe about God.    

T.L.C.    What about an atheist?

Big D    Even atheists, who believe that there is no such thing as God,  a Source or a Creator, are only expressing an opinion.   They have no proof that there's no such thing as God.   I'll share a brief story that will make this clearer.

            Suppose a someone you had recently met for the first time called you on the phone, and in a rather urgent and emotional voice said, "The moment I saw Charlie, I knew Charlie had been bitten by something.   What do I do now?"   You'd probably start by asking who or what Charlie is.   Is Charlie, your husband, your daughter, you dog, your pet fish, or a stuffed toy?   What bit Charlie, a mosquito, a snake, a shark or, the love bug.   You'd probably also ask what were the circumstances under which Charlie was bitten, and what condition is Charlie in right now?

Well, having a meaningful discussion about God without defining what you mean by "God"  is about as rational as offering a treatment for Charlie's bite without knowing anything more than,  "Something bit Charlie."

T.L.C.    What are the requirements for a meaningful discussion?

Big D    You've already stated the first requirement:  In order to have even a semblance of mutual understanding, one must first define what is meant by the term God.***ps-54-1     (See the section below:  Do You Believe In God?)`

            Second, one must understand that the discussion would be about religious beliefs and NOT about that unknown, unknowable, seemingly  infinite "Source of All That Is"  which is commonly referred to as "God."

            Third,  nobody has any definitive answers.   Nobody can say, with provable certainty, that he or she is right and that everyone else is wrong.

            Fourth,  one would also do well to begin any such discussion by distinguishing between religion and spirituality.   

T.L.C.    Why make that distinction?   

Big D    Because, as  you will recall from our earlier discussion, each of these perspective gives a very different view of reality.***ps-54-2  

T.L.C.    Then let's have that clear definition of God.   

Big D    There's no such thing as a clear definition of God, but I can certainly give you  more than one way look at this question.   Here, from  the Universal Spirituality perspective,***ps-54-3  is the answer to the question:   Do you believe in God?

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The False Face of God:    Are you talking about a fickle, angry, jealous, vengeful, intolerant, displeased, needy, and violent super-human being sitting on a cloud somewhere?   Are you talking about a God who can, at his whim or will, step outside the laws of the universe and do anything He chooses including acts of magic, doing you special favors or destroying your life in a momentary fit of anger? 

Are you talking about a god with an ego so great that  he demands our worship and a self-image so small that he demands our obedience -- a god so weak that he needs our help to punish the unfaithful and so weird that he murdered his own son as an expression of love***ps-54-4  -- a god so angry, hypocritical, and unforgiving that he preaches forgiveness and, at the same time, is still punishing people today because a long- dead ancestor (Eve) ate "fruit" from a forbidden tree?   

Are you talking about a needy, self-centered, brooding god who offers free will and then demands obedience to rules that completely escape human understanding --  a god who, with what seems like arbitrary unpredictability, heaps great good fortune onto some, horrendous misery onto others, and pretty much ignores everyone else?

Are you talking about a masculine god who created women as sex slaves and servants --  a god so small he can fit inside of a single religion or into a single sacred text -- a god who demands that we murder people simply because they believe in a different religion?    Are you talking about The Great God Money,***ps-54-5   the most revered deity on the planet today?  

If these characteristics define God, then the answer is definitely NO!   I don't believe anything which fits that description could possibly be God.   I'd sooner believe that the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny were living in my attic.***ps-54-6  

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The Faceless Face of God  When you ask, "Do you believe in God?"  
Are you are talking about the source of all creation -- a source and a consciousness that transcends human understanding? 

If you are talking about the sum total of all that is --  the ever-flowing essence of everything --  the central cause of all creation,  from the minutest to the greatest -- the source of everything we are and everything we experience,

If you are talking about "An Infinite Source"  who/which/that  has created a set of invisible laws ***ps-54-7 --  laws that are as immutable as the law of gravity, laws that we each can intentionally use to create our own personal experiences (or ignore at our own peril),

If you are talking about a "God" that is unknown and unknowable -- a God that expresses itself in a mysterious form of consciousness-- a "God" that expresses itself as freedom, love, joy, and beauty -- a god that manifests itself as the sum total of everything we are aware of in what we call the physical universe --  a God that we are each an intimate part of --  a God which is that mysterious part of ourselves we refer to when we say "I' or "me,"  

If that's your definition of God, then the answer is "DEFINITELY YES,  I DO BELIEVE IN GOD!" 

Here's a quote from Albert Einstein:  

"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds.   That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God."

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. . . And a Little Common Sense:  

T.L.C.    That certainly does give an uncommon perspective of God.   

Big D    That's because most people have never seriously questioned the content of their religion.   Those who were raised by parents practicing Christianity, Judaism, or Islam were told that God was a superhuman being.   They have accepted that belief as if it were true.   And as I've shown you, the evidence doesn't support such a belief.  

T.L.C.    This sounds like we're back to the distinction between Christian one-life-ism and Universal Spirituality.   

Big D    Yes, and that distinction revolves around this question:  Is the consciousness we refer to as "I" or "me" a function of the physical body or is the physical body a function of the "I" or "me" consciousness?   

T.L.C.    Then the practical question for us as humans on earth  is not about in what form the source of creation is or isn't.   It's about what a human being actually is or isn't.    

Big D    Yes.   There appear to be only two possibilities.   Either you are a physical body that produces a consciousness?    Or you are a consciousness living temporarily in a physical body?  

T.L.C.    So how do I answer that question?   

Big D    By examining the evidence.   Christian one-life-ism teaches that God is a fickle, angry, jealous, vengeful, intolerant, displeased, needy, and violent super-human being sitting on a cloud somewhere in the sky where the birds fly. ***ps-54-8

That belief is, at best, an archaic and dysfunctional perspective of the source of everything.   It doesn't take an atheist to reject that perspective.   

All it takes is a willingness to look at the physical evidence, a willingness to question the stories you accepted as real when you were a defenseless little child,  and a little common sense.   

Atheism -- What it Isn't:   

T.L.C.    What about atheism?   

Big D    Many of those who say they are atheists have not thoroughly analyzed  the issue  other than to say that they reject the traditional, Christian definition of a weird, bizarre superhuman being separate from His creation (described above as The False Face of God).    Simply rejecting such a definition of God  is not atheism. 

Real atheism is based upon a belief that consciousness is a function of the physical body and the that one's consciousness dies with the death of the body.  Such a belief does not stand up when  tested against the evidence.  

T.L.C.    Why do you say that?  

Big D    Because science can find no evidence whatsoever that indicates that consciousness is in any way a part of the physical structure.  Millions of people have had personal experience that have taken them outside their bodies.   Over the centuries, hundreds of thousands of people have been able to leave the physical body at will.  Hundreds of thousands of people have been able to see into a realm of reality that is invisible to the rest of us.   Hundreds of thousands of people have been able to hear sounds, and carry on intelligent conversations with beings in realm of reality the rest of us do not have access to.  Famous inventors, master musicians, Nobel Prize winning scientists have all brought wonders to us from that part of reality the skeptics say is merely one's imagination.  

Skeptics

T.L.C.    Skeptics say that all this non-physical stuff  is just a person's imagination.

Big D    Well,  they're technically correct, but what the skeptics ignore is the evidence which indicates that physical matter is not real --  that everything is energy -- that energy is controlled by consciousness --  that imagination is the core of consciousness.  

One simply cannot use physical evidence to prove or disprove the existence of something that is not physical.   Atheism is simply another religion in which believers  reject the existence of God.    And they do it in  the same way religious true believers accept His/Her/It's existence  --  by a Leap of Faith***ps-54-9 

T.L.C.    You're telling me that declaring Atheism as "The Truth" is equally as unprovable as what the fundamentalist Christians claim.    

Big D    Is that what the evidence tells you? 

T.L.C.    Yes.   

Big D    Then the evidence is telling you and not I.   

T.L.C.    Oh that again.   

Big D    Yes, that again, until you get it.   Do you recall that only a few minutes ago, I said you'd soon be back under the control of your old beliefs, programming, and conditioning? (Chapter forty-nine)

T.L.C.   I do recall  that.   

Big D    And what is the essence of that message I gave you at that time?   

T.L.C.    To examine the evidence and not the evidence giver.

Big D    Have you got it this time?   

T.L.C.    Yes.   

Big D    Do you want to bet on it?

T.L.C.    My answer's still "no."  

Big D    Then Back to atheism.   A far healthier way for a self-declared atheist  to state his/her opposition to fundamental Christianity is to say,   "I really don't know what created the universe, but there's one thing I can say with certainty, the fundamentalist Christians have it wrong."

T.L.C.    Now bottom-line this discussion for me.

Big D    Regardless of what you or I believe, the Universe had a source.   What that Source is, what the nature of  that Source is,  and how He/She/It functions are still  the world's greatest mysteries.    

            The practical question for humans on earth  is not about in what form the source of creation is or isn't.   It's about what a human being actually is or isn't.    Is a human being a function of his/her physical body or is the human, physical body a function of consciousness?

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The Story Continues in Chapter Fifty-Five`    

Interview with The Devil  --  Table of Contents`   

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Chapter References       

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***ps-54-1       Imagine a God like this:
http://www.yonidance.net/fr31-imagine-god-1.html
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Universal Spirituality:
 http://www.lifecoach4vip.com/m075-universal-spirituality.html
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Physical (body)   Versus   Non-physical (Spirit)     
http://www.pro-truth.net/30b-bible-psgs.html
#PhysicalVersusSpirit
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On this page, pay particular attention to  Ecclesiastes 11:5  

***ps-54-2      Religion Versus Spirituality.      
http://www.lifecoach4vip.com/trp72d-
religion-versus-spirituality.html
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***ps-54-3      This section describes Universal Spirituality.    Universal Spirituality  is a broad general label for millions of people who believe in a higher power but do not participate in any specific religion.   
 
http://www.lifecoach4vip.com/m075-universal-spirituality.html° 

It's  an approach to that mysterious Source of Life that honors respects and appreciates God in a non-anthropomorphic form.***     Universal Spirituality Players  very often experience a strong  sense of oneness with God, and at the same time, feel a deep humility and gratitude.   They say the humility and gratitude come from being at one with something so magnificent, so grand, and so loving that it defies understanding.

Contact us if you'd like to be an official Universal-Spirituality Player.   http://www.lifecoach4vip.com/027-contact-us.html°

***  God in an  anthropomorphic form refers to God as a superhuman being.   This is the God of fundamentalist Christianity.    God in a  non-anthropomorphic form refers to an unknown, unknowable something or "no-thing" that has created and maintains the Universe as we know it.

***ps-54-4      Chapter  52°   ---  The Context of the Crucifixion Story°   

***ps-54-5    The Great God Money    http://www.pro-truth.net/70b-recognizing-evil.html
#GreatGodMoney
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***ps-54-6    For a more complete description of "The False Face of God," 
Please see the section titled:  "Imagine a God Like This.
http://www.choice101.com/16-imagine-god.html° 

***ps-54-7    See the web pages which describes   
The Universal Law of Thought
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A summary can be found at:  
http://www.lifecoach4vip.com/m011-vibrating-universe.html°    
and a more detailed analysis is available at:
http://www.lifecoach4vip.com/m030-universal-laws.html.°  

***ps-54-8       ". . . and birds that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven." (Genesis 1:20)   The word "firmament"  means "sky."

According to this passage in the Christian Bible, heaven is directly above the Earth in the sky where the birds fly.   

***ps-54-9    Leap of Faith     
http://www.pro-truth.net/98-glossary.html#LeapofFaith°

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